A huge misconception by non-Muslims is that the only form of pedophilia towards boys in Islamic countries is so-called ‘bacha-bazi’ (the boy game). People are told to believe that this is a form of pedophilia contained to Afghanistan and Central Asia, being a ‘cultural practice’ of those regions in nature and nothing to do with Islam.
In reality, this is a LIE. Bacha bazi is ONLY ONE MINOR AND RITUALIZED FORM OF ISLAMIC PREDATION UPON BOYS. Endless industrial-scale forms of this have been going on for 1,400 YEARS!!!
Truth be told, the biggest gripe that pious Muslims ‘have’ with bacha bazi is its secular nature. Most Islamic opposition to ‘bacha bazi’ is not related to the boys being raped per se, but their tendency to cross dress and dance with music, while being plied with alcohol.
After all, Muhammad loved to indulge in aberrant behaviors with three-year-old male toddlers, never mind drunk teenage dancers:
حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ الْمُنْذِرِ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنِي ابْنُ أَبِي فُدَيْكٍ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنِي هِشَامُ بْنُ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ نُعَيْمِ بْنِ الْمُجْمِرِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ: مَا رَأَيْتُ حَسَنًا قَطُّ إِلاَّ فَاضَتْ عَيْنَايَ دُمُوعًا، وَذَلِكَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم خَرَجَ يَوْمًا، فَوَجَدَنِي فِي الْمَسْجِدِ، فَأَخَذَ بِيَدِي، فَانْطَلَقْتُ مَعَهُ، فَمَا كَلَّمَنِي حَتَّى جِئْنَا سُوقَ بَنِي قَيْنُقَاعٍ، فَطَافَ فِيهِ وَنَظَرَ، ثُمَّ انْصَرَفَ وَأَنَا مَعَهُ، حَتَّى جِئْنَا الْمَسْجِدَ، فَجَلَسَ فَاحْتَبَى ثُمَّ قَالَ: أَيْنَ لَكَاعٌ؟ ادْعُ لِي لَكَاعًا، فَجَاءَ حَسَنٌ يَشْتَدُّ فَوَقَعَ فِي حِجْرِهِ، ثُمَّ أَدْخَلَ يَدَهُ فِي لِحْيَتِهِ، ثُمَّ جَعَلَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَفْتَحُ فَاهُ فَيُدْخِلُ فَاهُ فِي فِيهِ، ثُمَّ قَالَ: اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أُحِبُّهُ، فَأَحْبِبْهُ، وَأَحِبَّ مَنْ يُحِبُّهُ.
It is related that Abu Hurayra said, “I never saw Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and he found me in the mosque. He took my hand and I went along with him. He did not speak to me until we reached the market of Banu Qaynuqa’. He walked around it and looked. Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, ‘Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.’ Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!‘“
Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, Muhammad al-Bukhari
رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبتهرواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
I saw the Messenger of Allah putting Hasan’s legs apart and kissing his penis.
Ibn Hajar al-Haithami
وَقَالَ جَرِيرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ ، عَنْ قَابُوسَ ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ: أَنّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَرَّجَ بَيْنَ فَخِذَيِّ الْحَسَنِ وَقَبَّلَ زَبِيبَتَهُ ” قَابُوسُ : حَسَنُ الْحَدِيثِ
Jarir from Qabus bin Abi Zayban, he from his father, who said so from Ibn Abbas: I saw the Messenger of Allah putting Hasn’s legs apart and kissing his penis.
Shams ad-Dīn adh-Dhahabī
وعن الزهري و الأوزاعي لا وضوء على من مس ذكر الصغير لأنه يجوز مسه والنظر إليه وقد روي عن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم أنه قبل زبيبة الحسن وروي وروي أن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم مس زبيبة الحسن ولم يتوضأ
According to Imam Zuhri and Imam al-Owza’ii it is not needed to do ritual washing again after touching the penis of a small boy, and it is also also allowed to see and touch it. And it is narrated from the Messanger of Islam that he kissed the penis of Hasan and he didn’t do his ritual washing again.
Al-Mughani, Ibn Qadama
قال يحيى بن شرف النووي: وقال بعض أهل العلم ينقض مسه ذكر نفسه دون غيره واحتج لهؤلاء بحديث طلق بن علي رضي الله عنه أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم سئل عن مس الذكر في الصلاة فقال: هل هو إلا بضعة منك وعن أبي ليلى قال كنا عند النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فأقبل الحسن يتمرغ عليه فرفع عن قميصه وقبل زبيبته ولأنه مس عضوا منه فلم ينقض كسائر الأعضاء واحتج أصحابنا بحديث بسرة وهو صحيح كما قدمنا بيانه وبحديث أم حبيبة قالت: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: من مس فرجه فليتوضأ قال البيهقي: قال الترمذي سألت أبا زرعة عن حديث أم حبيبة فاستحسنه قال ورأيته يعده محفوظا“
Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi said: Some scholars have said that touching one’s own penis nullifies ablution, but not touching someone else’s. They supported their view with the hadith of Talq ibn Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about touching one’s private part during prayer, and he said: “Is it not just a part of you?” And from Abu Layla, who said: “We were with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) when Hasan came and climbed on him. He lifted his shirt and kissed his penis.” This is because touching a part of oneself does not nullify ablution, just like touching any other part of the body.
Our companions supported their view with the hadith of Busrah, which is authentic as we have previously explained, and the hadith of Umm Habibah, who said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: ‘Whoever touches his private part should perform ablution.'” Al-Bayhaqi said: Al-Tirmidhi said: “I asked Abu Zur’ah about the hadith of Umm Habibah, and he approved it.” He said, “And I saw him consider it to be well-preserved.”
Al-Majmu, Yahya Al-Nawawi
The sheer prevalence of verses relating to keeping Muslim men’s lust for prepubescent boys under control with strange comparisons to adult women is unbelievable. Bear in mind, many of these extracts were made not long after so called ‘Muhammad’ was present.
DESPITE WHAT MANY OF YOU MAY THINK, NONE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN ON ANY OF THESE PAGES IS FROM SOME RECENT TALIBAN ‘DARK AGE’. THEY ARE ALL FROM THE SO-CALLED ‘GOLDEN AGE OF ISLAM’.
All evidence provided is evidence of very sick minds warped away from any healthy drives.
The Qu’ran itself has questionable lines on this:
۞ وَیَطُوفُ عَلَیۡهِمۡ غِلۡمَانࣱ لَّهُمۡ كَأَنَّهُمۡ لُؤۡلُؤࣱ مَّكۡنُونࣱ ٢٤
There will circulate among them good looking servant boys (ghilman/غِلْمَان) for them, as if they were pearls well-protected.
Qu’ran 52:24
These lines concern what will go on in heaven. In front of westerners, Muslims these days often pretend these verses relate to parents meeting their children lost during childhood. The reality is that most Muslim scholars throughout history have long interpreted this verse as a being permitted to have sex with boys in heaven. Just an open secret…
They are justified in believing this as the word ‘ghilman’ in Classical Arabic in this context generally relates to a servant boy or a slave boy. The modern interpretation of mourned children doesn’t even make sense. WHY would one’s dead children exclude girls? Why do the boys have to be beautiful, white-skinned and supple as the other Surahs and Hadiths indicate?? Why would one’s own children serve alcohol to random men?
An Islamic fundamentalist site with a response by an imam shows the actual true understanding completely:
‘Beauty of a SPOUSE…’ Other verses throughout the breadth of Islam indicate the depth of the issue:
كان السلف يقولون في الأمرد : هو أشد فتنة من العذارى ، فإطلاق البصر من أعظم الفتن
The pious predecessors used to say about a beardless youth: he is a greater temptation than young maidens. Letting the gaze wander is one of the greatest trials.
Kitab al-Furu, Ibn Muflih al-Hanbali
كذلك يحرم على الرجل النظر إلى وجه الأمرد إذا كان حسن الصورة ، سواءً كان بشهوةٍ أم لا ، سواءً أمن الفتنة أم خافها ، هذا هو المذهب الصحيح المختار عند العلماء المحققين ، نص عليه الشافعي ، وحذاق أصحابه – رحمهم الله تعالى – ، ودليله : أنه في معنى المرأة ، فإنه يُشتهى كما تشتهى ، وصورته في الجمال كصورة المرأة ، بل ربما كان كثيرٌ منهم أحسن صورةً من كثيرٍ من النساء ، بل هم في التحريم أولى لمعنى آخر : وهو أنه يتمكن في حقهم من طرق الشر ما لا يتمكن مثله في حق المرأة
Similarly, it is forbidden for a man to look at the face of a beardless youth if he has a handsome appearance, whether with desire or not, whether he is safe from temptation or fears it. This is the correct and chosen position according to the discerning scholars. This was stated by Al-Shafi’i and the adept among his followers – may Allah have mercy on them. The reason for this is that he is like a woman in this regard, as he is desired just as she is desired, and his beauty is like that of a woman. In fact, many of them are more handsome than many women. Moreover, they are more deserving of this prohibition for another reason: the avenues of evil regarding them are more accessible than those concerning women.
Al-Minhaj bi Sharh Sahih Muslim
It just goes on and on and on, dozens and dozens of statements and fatwas and poems and everything else focuses on this insanity that makes up a huge chunk of what is even written from ‘Islamic civilization’. You might think falls under the concept of Sodom and Gomorrah in Islam: it does NOT. This concept of ‘sodomites’ only applies to two adult men in practice. Just like xians, muslims were also inconsistent with applying this concept to boys and in any event of discovery, blamed the boys. This goes all the way back to the Jew named Philo.
And it is natural for those who obey the law to consider such persons (i.e. raped boys) worthy of death, since the law commands that the man-woman who adulterates the precious coinage of his nature shall die without redemption, not allowing him to live a single day, or even a single hour, as he is a disgrace to himself, and to his family, and to his country, and to the whole race of mankind.
Line 38, Book 3, The Special Laws, Philo Judaeus
The only ‘condemnation’ of pederasty in the entire hadith involves one saying that a man who ‘commits homosexuality’ with a boy is not allowed to marry the boy’s mother.
وَقَالَ لَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَنْبَلٍ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، حَدَّثَنِي حَبِيبٌ، عَنْ سَعِيدٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، حَرُمَ مِنَ النَّسَبِ سَبْعٌ، وَمِنَ الصِّهْرِ سَبْعٌ. ثُمَّ قَرَأَ {حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أُمَّهَاتُكُمْ} الآيَةَ. وَجَمَعَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ بَيْنَ ابْنَةِ عَلِيٍّ وَامْرَأَةِ عَلِيٍّ. وَقَالَ ابْنُ سِيرِينَ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ. وَكَرِهَهُ الْحَسَنُ مَرَّةً ثُمَّ قَالَ لاَ بَأْسَ بِهِ. وَجَمَعَ الْحَسَنُ بْنُ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ بَيْنَ ابْنَتَىْ عَمٍّ فِي لَيْلَةٍ، وَكَرِهَهُ جَابِرُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ لِلْقَطِيعَةِ، وَلَيْسَ فِيهِ تَحْرِيمٌ لِقَوْلِهِ تَعَالَى {وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَا وَرَاءَ ذَلِكُمْ} وَقَالَ عِكْرِمَةُ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ إِذَا زَنَى بِأُخْتِ امْرَأَتِهِ لَمْ تَحْرُمْ عَلَيْهِ امْرَأَتُهُ. وَيُرْوَى عَنْ يَحْيَى الْكِنْدِيِّ عَنِ الشَّعْبِيِّ وَأَبِي جَعْفَرٍ، فِيمَنْ يَلْعَبُ بِالصَّبِيِّ إِنْ أَدْخَلَهُ فِيهِ، فَلاَ يَتَزَوَّجَنَّ أُمَّهُ، وَيَحْيَى هَذَا غَيْرُ مَعْرُوفٍ، لَمْ يُتَابَعْ عَلَيْهِ. وَقَالَ عِكْرِمَةُ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ إِذَا زَنَى بِهَا لَمْ تَحْرُمْ عَلَيْهِ امْرَأَتُهُ. وَيُذْكَرُ عَنْ أَبِي نَصْرٍ أَنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ حَرَّمَهُ. وَأَبُو نَصْرٍ هَذَا لَمْ يُعْرَفْ بِسَمَاعِهِ مِنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ. وَيُرْوَى عَنْ عِمْرَانَ بْنِ حُصَيْنٍ وَجَابِرِ بْنِ زَيْدٍ وَالْحَسَنِ وَبَعْضِ أَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ تَحْرُمُ عَلَيْهِ. وَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ لاَ تَحْرُمُ حَتَّى يُلْزِقَ بِالأَرْضِ يَعْنِي يُجَامِعَ. وَجَوَّزَهُ ابْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ وَعُرْوَةُ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ. وَقَالَ الزُّهْرِيُّ قَالَ عَلِيٌّ لاَ تَحْرُمُ. وَهَذَا مُرْسَلٌ.
“Ibn ‘Abbas further said, ‘Seven types of marriages are unlawful because of blood relations, and seven because of marriage relations.’ Then Ibn ‘Abbas recited the Verse: ‘Forbidden for you (for marriages) are your mothers… (4:23). ‘Abdullah bin Ja’far married the daughter and wife of ‘Ali at the same time (they were step-daughter and mother).’ Ibn Sirin said, ‘There is no harm in that.’ But Al-Hasan Al-Basri disapproved of it at first, but then said that there was no harm in it. Al-Hasan bin Al-Hasan bin ‘Ali married two of his cousins in one night. Ja’far bin Zaid disapproved of that because of it would bring hatred (between the two cousins), but it is not unlawful, as Allah said, Lawful to you are all others [beyond those (mentioned)]. (4:24).
Ibn ‘Abbas said: ‘If somebody commits illegal sexual intercourse with his wife’s sister, his wife does not become unlawful for him.’ And narrated Abu Ja’far, ‘If a person commits homosexuality with a boy, then the mother of that boy is unlawful for him to marry.’ Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas, ‘If one commits illegal sexual intercourse with his mother in law, then his married relation to his wife does not become unlawful.’ Abu Nasr reported to have said that Ibn ‘Abbas in the above case, regarded his marital relation to his wife unlawful, but Abu Nasr is not known well for hearing Hadith from Ibn ‘Abbas. Imran bin Hussain, Jabir b. Zaid, Al-Hasan and some other Iraqis, are reported to have judged that his marital relations to his wife would be unlawful. In the above case, Abu Hurairah said, ‘The marital relation to one’s wife does not become unlawful except if one as had sexual intercourse (with her mother).’ Ibn Al-Musaiyab, ‘Urwa, and Az-Zuhri allows such person to keep his wife. ‘Ali said, His marital relations to his wife does not become unlawful.”
Hadith 43, Book 67, Sahih al-Bukhari, Muhammad al-Bukhari
This kind of idiocy is not even fit for a donkey.
We do not claim any society is perfect. However, the amount of relentless smearing from the enemy of Greece, Persia, Rome, the Vikings, Japan and other civilizations in history as being full of perverts abusing boys is just total hypocrisy and loaded with many projections.
The point is – ISLAM as an anti-human program itself facilitates pederasty!
It does NOT address the problem, it does NOT contribute to any solutions and it does NOT stop people from pursuing this behavior, even if it levels gruesome punishments ‘sometimes’. In any event, those punishments are more or less aimed at enemies of Islam and those engaging in actual consensual behaviors. More than anything, it fuels predation of boys with abundance.
Muslims are constantly locked into insidious forms of repression and criminal forms of ‘release’ that amount to full on desecration and nihilism.
Women are SHUT AWAY from sight in public life and courtship is a huge no-no. Dating? Forget it… men are told to handle their sexual problems themselves if they cannot procure a wife and many men in Islam do not have access to one. Girls are often killed at birth (leading to distorted sex ratios) or their families are too poor to procure an arranged marriage.
There is no way for boys and young men to meet women in public, so what have they done throughout history? They procured boys, specifically boys prior to any facial hair growing.
HPS Maxine brought up the fact that every human needs to be touched and to have romantic companionship and a healthy sex life. Human beings become DERANGED from being deprived of healthy sexuality. The entire real corpus of Islamic civilization makes this abundantly clear.
In addition, to make the point about hypocrisy even more clear, Islam mirrors many of the dynamics of the enemy from which it received these ‘ideas’ in the first place. Rabbis prey on male kids of their own abundantly and monitor them in a state of fear. There have been copious amounts of assaults on camera. If people know little about Islam in this regard, they know even less on the font it came from.
For discussions of this with the enemy, look here.
This is also why the Catholic and Orthodox priests and monks are criminally insane and have preyed on boys ENDLESSLY for 2,000 years, along with associated Protestant lunatics like the ‘Children of God’, that even had their own kiddie porno studios.
Islam is not innocent in this whatsoever, even though the calling-card of these deluded braying IDIOTS in debating xians is to say they are the only abusers.
Boy slaves for all kinds of purposes were used endlessly in Islam and ripped away from their families, being transported hundreds or thousands of miles, at all points. You might ask how boy slaves for sexual purposes were obtained. The usual thing occurred:
As early as the late fifth century AD, a pope gave permission for Jews to bring non-Christian slaves into Italy, from where they were then sent to North Africa. Pope Gelasius was appointed Pontiff in 492 and from the first year of his reign was happy to see Slavs and Germans brought south, en route to Africa. This was the beginning of extensive Jewish involvement in the slave trade. Within a century or two, the Jews were accepted as being the chief slave traders between Europe and Africa and the Middle East. A large part of their trade was in young men who had been brought to southern Europe to be castrated and then sold to Arab markets as eunuchs.
In the later ninth century the Arab writer Ibn Khordadbeh was giving a detailed account of the routes which were being used by those trafficking in slaves. In his work Book of Roads and Kingdoms, he gave a detailed and precise account of who was behind the trade and how they moved their goods to and from Europe. Most of the slaves were bought by Jewish traders in what is now Russia, Ukraine and the Balkans and then taken to Venice or Verdun to be operated upon. As Director of Posts and Police for a province of the Abbasid Caliphate, Ibn Khordadbeh was in the best possible position to know about such things (Meynard, 1865). The traders whom he wrote of were the Radhanites, a guild of Jewish merchants about the origin of which there are a number of theories. What is certain though is that the Radhanites were an international business, who travelled across Europe, Asia and Africa, dealing in luxury goods of high value. These men were multilingual and had bases across the whole of the known world, from Western Europe to the far East, from northern Russia to Africa. To quote Ibn Khordadbeh:
These merchants speak Arabic, Persian, Roman, Frankish, Spanish, and Slav languages. They journey from West to East, from East to West, partly on land, partly by sea. They transport from the West eunuchs, female slaves, boys, brocade, castor, marten and other furs, and swords. (Meynard, 1865)
The Forgotten Slave Trade, Simon Webb
Despite the apparent ‘enmity’ and “”hatred”” between Xians, Muslims and their religion of origin, we again see a triangular picture emerging where they all collaborate to enslave children.
In Islamic Spain, while sex between male adults was forbidden by being put to death, the rulers Abd Al-Rahman III and Hisham II kept entire harems of slave boys as well as girls, located in a specific building of the palace. These were Spanish, French and Slavic boys seized from their families. Muhammad bin Malik, secretary and vizier of Muhammad bin Sa’id wrote erotic poetry about male slaves.
In Baghdad, the Caliph Al-Muta’mid was also known to keep harems of slave boys. According to al-Tabari, the Caliph Al-Amin was known to be fond of eunuchs and also kept a harem of boy slaves for his ‘pleasure’.
The Caliph, for those unaware, is the spiritual leader of Islam and defender of the faith, does anything else need to be said? Many of these accounts about degenerate behavior in Islamic Spain and the Caliphates are also from the ‘Islamic Golden Age’ philosophers, scientists and doctors that liberal westerners otherwise call ‘enlightened’.
Are they islamophobes now? Let’s take a wild guess.
When the Turks took Byzantium, the response of Mehmet was to ask for the most beautiful boys to be lined up. This degeneration had gone on a long time:
As soon as Kara Halil’s son, Ali Pasha, became Vizier, the lewdness and debauchery increased. He gathered catamite boys he adored at his side. These were called iç oğlan (inner palace boys).
Tevarih-i Al-i Osman
Mehmet II had gotten drunk on the wines of Cyprus, having a liking for young boys, sent for the firstborn son of the Greek Orthodox Grand Duke Notaras who was a fourteen year-old adolescent known for his beauty. In front of everyone he violated him, and after the rape he sent for his family. His parents, his grandparents, his uncles, his aunts and cousins, then in front of him he beheaded them, one by one.
Leonardo di Chio
The learned are all enamored of boys,
Not one remains who female love enjoys.Nedîm
His [Murad’s] next greatest pleasure is women and young sodomite boys. He has three hundred wives or more, and twenty-five or thirty boys who are always with him, more frequently than his wives. When the boys grow up, he gives them great gifts and lordships. To one of them he gave his sister as wife and twenty-five thousands ducats.
Bertrandon de la Broquiere
The sultan spent that winter in his palace and summoned Vlad {III}, the son of Dracul and ruler of Wallachia, as he already had his younger brother (Radu III) at the court keeping him as his lover and maintaining him. It happened that the sultan was almost killed by the boy when he had wanted to have sex with him. This was when he had first gained the throne and was preparing to campaign against Karaman. He was in love with the boy and invited him for conversation, and then as a sign of his respect, he invited him for drinks to his bedchamber. The boy did not expect to suffer such a thing from the sultan, and when he saw the sultan approaching him with that intention, he fought him off and refused to consent to intercourse with him. The sultan kissed the unwilling boy, who drew a dagger and struck the sultan on his thigh. He then lied in whatever direction he could find. The doctors were able to treat the sultan’s wound. The boy had climbed up a tree there and was hiding. When the sultan packed up and left, the boy came down from the tree, began his journey, and, shortly afterward, arrived at the Porte and became the sultan’s lover. The sultan was used to having relations no less with men who shared his own inclinations. For he was always spending his time in the close company of such people, both day and night, but he did not usually have relations with men who were not of his own race, except for brief periods of time.
Laonikos Chalkokondyles
In the Ottoman Empire, attractive young boys were also presented to be bought, alongside women. This isn’t some lurid orientalist fantasy, this is from the Muslim mouth. Up until the Ottoman Empire’s end, specific male slaves were taught to be dancers and lovers to men, creating a male parallel to the belly dancer. These boys were called Köçeks.
There is nothing different about this to the so-called ‘Bacha bazi’, yet it is half way across the world. Traditional Turkish culture in the first stages of the Ottoman era did not have this ‘innovation’ – it came from ISLAM. Men fought so violently over these dancers that Abdulmejid I had to ban aspects of this.
In Algiers, most of the slave boys were afraid to be around their masters for fear of being raped. Grooming boys by taking them to illicit establishments (typical Islamic hypocrisy) was just how the slave masters functioned.
They are purchased at great price by the Turks to serve them in their abominable sins, and no sooner do they have them in their power, then by dressing them up and caressing them, they persuade them to make themselves Turks. But if by chance someone does not consent to their uncontrolled desires, they treat him badly, using force to induce him into sin; they keep him locked up, so that he does not see nor frequent [other] Christians, and many others they circumcise by force.
Alfonso Dominici
This parallels what happened to Vlad the Impaler and his brother, who were taken captive by the Ottoman Sultan. By all accounts, the brother of Vlad, Radu was subjected to this type of treatment by Mehmet II and became a faithful hand of the Sultan. Vlad chose otherwise.
He also mentioned, almost in passing, that in the harem of his master, Ali Pegelin, there were “forty young Boys between nine years of age and fifteen, who also dared not go out of the house, for fear of being debauch’d by the Turks.” Mascarenhas, using language more typical of the priests, claimed that the Turks brought their Christian slaves with them into the local bathhouses – of which there were sixteen in Algiers alone – where “they commit without being punished the sins of the flesh [that are] the most abominable and the most shameful to imagine.”
Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters, Robert C. Davis
Whatever happened in Europe was largely mirrored in Persia and India.
As the West modernized and got rid of the putrid church, Westerners going to Islamic lands began to find all sorts of strange phenomena.
Guillaume de Vaudoncourt and Lord Byron found that the leader of Ioannina, Ali Pasha, had a harem and ‘seraglio’ of Greek and Albanian boys, which is one of the reasons the local population revolted violently against him. Up to ten more European sources travelling around the area from the 1810s up to the 1830s note this.
Frenchmen who went to Egypt in the 1870s still found Greek boys serving as sex-slaves.
An ethnologist went to a pleasure-town in Egypt called Siwah in the mid 1930s. In trying to figure out why this practice was still so widespread when the British colonial government had banned it, he found that 59 of the 60 men he spoke to had been child prostitutes themselves:
Their seclusion without women may have stimulated sodomy, a habit in which they all indulge. They at present they have access to all neighborhoods and to the numerous prostitutes, they still revel in pederasty, and often address their love songs to boys. My Siwan informant told me that the Egyptian police forbid any young boy to enter the zaggalah club-house during a carosual and that in former days the captain of the zaggalah kept his favorite boy beside him at the parties as a kind of mock bride.
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All normal Siwan boys and men practice sodomy. I say “normal” advisedly, for the vice seldom connotes the effeminate manners and speech which often mark homosexuals in our own society. ‘Abdallah’ questioned sixty Siwan men and found that fifty-nine had been catamites. “The one who was not was brought up in Alexandria.” Among themselves the natives are not ashamed of this; they talk about it as openly as they talk about love of women, and many if not most of their fights arise from homosexual competition. Fear of the government (note that Egypt came under English rule at this time) has lately made sodomy a more secret matter. If the officials find a boy under suspicious circumstances in the club-house of the zaggalah, they imprison the whole party.
My chief informant, when pressed for information about pederasty among his people refused again and again to give an exact account, but merely said, “There isn’t one man in Siwah. They are all women.” When asked to explain this, he replied, “Don’t you see that if a man has done it when a boy, he has played the woman; and when he does it when a a man, he is still playing the woman?”
When he saw that I already knew some of the details, he became more communicative. He said that men rent boys for five or ten piastres a night. Some fathers rejoice to have their sons earn money in this way…
Prominent men lend their sons to each other. All SIwans know the matings that have taken place among their sheikhs and their sheikhs’ sons. They say that the most influential sheikh of Siwah is impotent for women; and that he has often tried in vain to produce offspring by exciting himself with a boy in his wife’s bed, and then joining his wife for the orgasm.
Most of the boys used in sodomy are between twelve and eighteen years of age. Formerly the zaggalah all had their boys, who kept company with them in the gardens, companions as well as objects of lust. In many but not in most cases the boy is the active rather than the passive agent. They call this ‘ed dudah’, the worm, because it feels like a worm in the rectum. A Siwan informed me that if a zaggali, desiring a certain boy is troubled with priapism at night, he strikes his penis with a ball of camel-thorns which he keeps at his bedside. The natives told me that sodomy was more prevalent long ago…
Apparently Siwah had submitted to Islam by 1100 AD (my note: this is EARLY for Egypt, which continued to be majority Christian for a while after this) or shortly after. Al-Idrisi says that there was a mosque there in his time, the middle of the 12th century.
General Series in Anthropology, Number 4: Notes on the People of Siwah and El Garah in the Libyan Desert, Walter Cline
It is obvious most of these men (other than the sheikh) were not ‘homosexuals’ as anyone with a vocation like that is attracted to adult men and has obvious characteristics Cline noted himself – but abused men in their childhoods driven insane to the point where this became a cultural phenomenon.
Despite being permitted up to four wives… Siwan customs allow a man but one boy to whom he is bound to a stringent code of obligations.
Mahmud Mohammad Abd Allah
The eradication of pederasty in some areas of the Islamic world is largely due to “colonialist” efforts in making the behavior illegal and the scrutiny of international organizations. Only in ‘repressive’ white countries did the welfare of children ever enter into the picture – which must be emphasized – was an uphill struggle even in those and now is in great danger of being undone. The ambition to destroy pederasty never successfully came from ‘within’ Islam, EVER.
On the other hand, it must be mentioned that from 1800 up to about 1980, many pervs and pedos from Europe and America also took advantage of local boys in Muslim lands, including ‘luminary’ communists celebrated in all our universities like André Gide and others. However, these were not just incidents of exploitative colonialism, but a fact of the boys already being passed around the natives and then being handed to these freaks gladly as gifts.
These perverts were also some of the biggest ideological defenders of Islam who did their part to make criticism of it socially forbidden in all Western universities… purely because they liked to engage in the traffick of children in North Africa. THIS IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN THE EXTREME.
Just like Xians, the proponents of Communism also functioned as a cartel in collaboration with Islamic stupidity to promote the interests of violating innocents.
Unfortunately, the practice returned. Visitors to Syria in the 1970s noted the amount of boys being forced to serve as erotic adjuncts to older boys or men, as women were still secluded.
… in most cases the boy is prostituted by the mother.
General Series in Anthropology, Number 4: Notes on the People of Siwah and El Garah in the Libyan Desert, Walter Cline
Strangely, women aren’t even innocent here. The stories of the Algiers slaves indicate that the local women often purchased young boys for erotic and strange purposes.
… Predecessors were destroyed by their Mistresses, whose Place is at present, supplied by young and handsome Slaves.
Laughier de Tassy
In Saudi Arabia, a company called ‘Limousine’ was recently caught funnelling underage white and blond Bosnian, Turkish and Chechnyan boys to wealthy Muslimahs, alongside girls being prostituted and enslaved as usual.
In London, specific brothels were erected during the Olympics to serve the Islamic ruling families, including women:
وتتحدث مصادر صحفية عربية في لندن لعرب تايمز عن وجود اوكار دعارة في اوساط الجالية ذات طابع مختلف عما هو سائد في العالم … وزبائن هذه الاوكار من الاميرات والشيخات العرب …فليس الرجال فقط يترددون على الاوكار لممارسة الجنس مع المومسات .. وانما النساء ايضا يترددن على اوكار لممارسة الجنس مع الرجال ومعظم اوكار الدعارة الرجالية زبائنها من الاميرات والشيخات وبنات الاثرياء العرب
Arab press sources in London spoke to Arab Times about the presence of prostitution dens. The community has a different character than what prevails in the world and the clients of these dens are Arab princesses and sheikhs. Not only men frequent the dens to have sex with prostitutes… but women also frequent the dens to have sex with men, and most men’s prostitution dens have clients who are princesses, sheikhs, and the daughters of wealthy Arabs.
Arab Times
Facts of these cases became so overt that the limousine companies had to be shut down and discussion of it was criminalized. Instagram idiots going to these places is merely the tip of the iceberg.
Now we can relate this to the modern day.
This is not some sad corner of secular excess burned away by Taliban zeal – it is ongoing.
In Northern Nigeria, operating under a similar style of legal framework as Islamic Spain, boys under ‘Boko Haram’ schools were violated in any and all senses repeatedly. Hundreds of thousands of victims of sexual rape are reported to exist.
IS fighters cornered by Kurdish fighters were found to have terabytes upon terabytes of child pornography (including much involving boys) and animal pornography on their computers and phones.
A Qu’ran teacher in Erzurum, Turkey, was sentenced to decades in jail in 2023 after abusing and torturing thirteen boys.
The leader of CAIR, Ahmed Saleem, was arrested as being part of a major child sex trafficking ring where the youngest victim was only 10 years old.
In parts of Pakistan, the abuse of boys is still endemic.
This documentary [US] [Eur] should say it all.
None of the boys in this documentary are ‘bacha bazi’, they don’t wear makeup, they don’t dance to instruments, they don’t resemble girls, the ones at 3:15 are six and eight-year-old boys with buzzcuts. They still say they are preyed upon for sex by adult men every moment they step outside.
All boys who prostitute themselves do so in the vicinity of the mosque.
All in all, as Islam always lags behind compared to similar insane Xian developments, this isn’t even that different to Europe under Xianity either. In the 15th century Florence, little boys apparently could not go out without ‘sodomites’ on their tail. The reasons are similar as to why that was the case.
Now, for those of you who pay attention to the media, it may become comprehensible to you why some Muslim immigrants jump off the boat and rape the first boy they find, such as in the Therisienbad swimming pool incident where a ten year old boy was raped so strongly by an Iraqi immigrant (now married with kids, having created these kids while in prison) his colon was split in two, or the Marseilles incident, where a twelve year old boy was raped in a playground by an Afghan.
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